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Chou : (31 July 2018 - 07:46 PM) Not sure who my fav ghost is so far... Kageri & Watashi get the medal for the hardest to battle so far because of teaming up on you. Buuut i've only seen up to chatper 7
midwinter : (31 July 2018 - 08:03 PM) I like that Kageri and Watashi are sort of the reverse of Akane and the Azami doll - with the FF2 twins you have to defeat the real one first, but Kageri takes strength from Watashi
Eisenalex : (31 July 2018 - 08:13 PM) Fuyuko and Kyouko are my favourites.
Eisenalex : (31 July 2018 - 08:14 PM) I find the implications of Fuyuko getting abused and mistreated by Ayako heartbreaking and Kyouko scares me the most with her being wrapped up and hanging from the ceiling in that tiny little... lab.
midwinter : (31 July 2018 - 08:27 PM) the lab is so creepy
midwinter : (31 July 2018 - 08:28 PM) on the one hand i want to know what all the Haibara experiments were about, but on the other they're probably more unsettling without explanation
Eisenalex : (31 July 2018 - 08:32 PM) Yes, I can't imagine any explanations improving upon the experience.
Eisenalex : (31 July 2018 - 08:36 PM) The thing with Fuyuko is: I imagine 'Nurse' being a profession you have to be passionate about. passionate to help people and be there for them. especially children, who are among the most vulnerable and are "designed" (by nature :P ) to evoke protective feelings. and then you someone like Ayako who is so violent and unstable that she basically destroys your ambitions to care for her. or maybe rather: to put you into such a dilemma that you want to care for her but can't because she also scares you too much. with the added humiliation of being tormented by a child.
midwinter : (01 August 2018 - 09:40 AM) https://ec.toranoana...m/040030655013/ :wub:
Eisenalex : (01 August 2018 - 10:37 AM) Oooh, nice! Too bad it doesn't have any furigana. I might've ordered it otherwise.
midwinter : (01 August 2018 - 11:58 AM) yeah, I usually just get them for the art and occasionally attempt to translate them for practice, but furigana would make things easier!
Eisenalex : (01 August 2018 - 02:49 PM) I wouldn't even try without furigana. kanji are the bane of my existence when studying japanese.
Yashuu : (02 August 2018 - 03:24 PM) ooooh happy belated birthday FF4!  :icon_watashi:
Yashuu : (02 August 2018 - 03:27 PM) Himiko and Watashi are my favourite ghosts from 4, creepy legends!  :icon_femalehead:
Yashuu : (02 August 2018 - 03:28 PM) FF4's ghost visual design is soooo good though, like the most consistently high quality in the series imo
Yashuu : (02 August 2018 - 03:28 PM) even the basic designs look great thanks to the fantastic art direction
Yashuu : (02 August 2018 - 03:29 PM) i can't believe its 10 years old  :icon_blinded:
midwinter : (02 August 2018 - 05:08 PM) man, i tend to forget about Himiko (she gets lumped into the general "patients" category in my head), but you're right, she is awesome
Yashuu : (03 August 2018 - 02:27 PM) it helps that she has a really cool fight pattern as well, that reaaally delayed fatal frame chance where she like weaves all over the place before attacking is tense
GregZerO : (04 August 2018 - 11:19 AM) awww happy birthday to FF4 and we are getting ooolder.I thought that I would never play it cause back then I wasn't allowed to have a Wii or buy stuff from the internet cause i was too young to make choices like that.I pretty much love everything about FF4,except that annoying puzzle

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Which "lore" is the strongest/with greatest influence so far?


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#1 OFFLINE   Ochiru

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 01:44 AM

The Himuro Mansion. They follow the Strangling ritual to seal the gates to hell.

The All God's Village. Sacrifices Twins to appease the * ,preventing The Repentance.

The Manor of Sleep of the Kuze Shrine. Impalement Ritual is conducted to prevent The Unleashing(of the Miasma).

 

I haven't played Mask of the Lunar Eclipse and the Maiden of Black Water so I'm not familiar with their lore yet. Someone can enlighten me on this.

 

 

Given the circumstances that happened in the games, it appears that The Manor of Sleep is no doubt the one with the strongest

influence among them as it was powerful enough to connect and relieve the places and even the ghosts itself experienced by all the protagonist. What do you guys think?


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Posted 25 December 2017 - 04:26 PM

I think I agree! XD Well honestly, I just finished Chapter 1 of FF4 and I've only begun, even though I know everything, I think playing through would help me understand as much as I could from reading too. And same for FF5, but can't play it yet either... Although looking at their lore and its themes, I can feel that FF3 resonate with me more than either FF4 or FF5, which I think might be in second place for me. I guess? Overall, this is in terms of emotional impact and the power of the story or plot. But at some point, I might change my mind, so... that... in the meantime, this is my answer :v


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One, Three, and Four, my favorite characters as of now.
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Posted 25 December 2017 - 07:37 PM

2's and 4's for me.  The Crimson Sacrifice Ritual and everything to do with the Kagura are amazing in my eyes.  The additional elements in DCB help sweeten the deal.



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Posted 29 December 2017 - 01:27 PM

I see. But what I'm talking specifically here is the "power" of the lore from the game universe itself. Which do you think is the most powerful among the practices that were being followed by the villages from the past within the game.  I say that the "Manor of Sleep" urban legend is the most influential among them. It was able to connect all the first and second game into a single dream. And it can definitely do that among the characters of 4 and 5.



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Posted 29 December 2017 - 01:32 PM

I see. But what I'm talking specifically here is the "power" of the lore from the game universe itself. Which do you think is the most powerful among the practices that were being followed by the villages from the past within the game.  I say that the "Manor of Sleep" urban legend is the most influential among them. It was able to connect all the first and second game into a single dream. And it can definitely do that among the characters of 4 and 5.

 

oh well uh I still stand by with my answer above. i mean same thing if i were to respond to your reply XD 


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 02:31 PM

I would say 4's.  Getsuyuu syndrome is limited to the area around Rougetsu island, but it's quickly spread and hard to contain, and the resulting disaster consumed the entire island within a day.  While the other curses needed some time and a process (being touched, losing a loved one, seeing something you shouldn't, etc.), Getsuyuu and Blooming could really happen to anyone, and in some cases instantly.  And though it's scope is limited, the maiden would have spread it further than the islands if we didn't stop her at the end, which would've been uncontainable at that point imo.


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 07:43 PM

Whoa, I see. I haven't played 4 and 5 yet so I have no information regarding their "lores" yet. But even so, 3 can still "possess" most of what has transpired within 4 or even 5's premise. The Manor of sleep basically "connects" the victim's memory into it's own, making it part of the nightmare. Worst of this is the victim is guaranteed to be spirited away/ turned into black soot, leaving no traces of the human body behind, much worse than suicide.


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 08:40 PM

The dream manor can manifest memories, and call spirits related to them into the Rift, like Miku's shrine maiden and Mio's Kusabi, but I don't think it's the strongest overall.  As we can see with Yoshino's shadow ghosts, it's mostly illusions, memories.  It's contained to just the dream world, after all.  It's also potentially been active from as early as the late 1800s, but hasn't claimed a large number of victims, and tends to effect individuals over groups. 

 

The threat on Rougetsu island, however, is a lot deadlier.  If the ritual fails, the maiden can enter a state called "Blooming" - basically, her soul is wiped clean, becoming total nothingness, and its highly contagious.  Just looking at her blurred face is enough to kill you.  Then, after she's "infected" the whole island, she can wait just 10 years for the next lunar eclipse (it's a door to the spirit world, like the Hell Gate) to "bloom" greater and spread the disease to other islands.

 

To be honest, I think the suicides on Mt. Hikami are worse than becoming soot and part of the dream.  The deaths we see in 5 are almost always hard to watch, and there's an element of the suicides repeating over and over after death.  For example, a character possessed into slitting her throat continues to do so even as you fight her as a ghost.  


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 07:12 AM

Very interesting. It seems like I really need to witness the story of 4 and 5 then. Thanks, Hex. I think I'm mistaken here after reading what you just posted, I guess I'm inclined to agree which leaves me to another question, kinda deviating from the topic.

 

I don't have any Nintendo console which unfortunately the only consoles where you can play 4 and 5. If I decide to just watch a playthrough, would it affect the overall experience? I mean, I am a legit Fatal Frame fan, but I don't think it's reasonable to purchase an expensive Wii console(but i'm considering doing so if there'll be another upcoming Fatal Frame title) just to play it. What are your thoughts on this?



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Posted 30 December 2017 - 06:39 PM

I think you'll get a better experience if you play it for yourself blind.  That's how these kinds of things usually work.  If the money's an issue for you it just ends up depending on whether you are willing to or not.  However, I do think the experience is better if you play it for yourself.


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Posted 31 December 2017 - 10:47 AM

I don't think it would affect things much.  I understand not wanting to buy different consoles for each game, it's a pain.   If you watch them, let us know what you think.   :)


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