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Opinions on the proximity-based Camera Obscura

Fatal Frame II Project Zero II Camera Obscura Poll

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Poll: Charged or Proximity (8 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you prefer Charged or Proximity Camera Obscuras?

  1. Charged Camera Obscura (Fatal Frame, Fatal Frame 3, Fatal Frame 4, Deep Crimson Butterfly, Spirit Camera) (6 votes [75.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

  2. Proximity based Camera Obscura? (Fatal Frame 2) (2 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

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#1 OFFLINE   AnimalLover47999


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 07:53 PM

In Fatal Frame 2 they decided to change the charging Camera Obscura from the first game (where you align the ghosts in the capture circle and it charges as long as you keep them there while charging slower if they are further away and faster if they are closer) to a system where the capture circle won't strengthen unless you are really close to the enemy therefore meaning you can't take Zero shots from a distance.  In 3 they went back to the original style (but added in the power up lenses and the Fatal Frame combo shots from 2) and in the remake of 2 for the Wii they kept the original camera style from the other games rather than returning to the proximity based system.


What do you think of this style?  Do you prefer this?  Do you wish they'd return to this style in later installments?  Or do you prefer what they are doing in every other game?

#2 OFFLINE   Yashuu



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Posted 31 May 2014 - 08:29 PM

I don't think it was very good, the game already encourages letting ghosts get close with shutter chances and fatal frames, I don't think making it the only viable way to approach ghost fights was necessary- it overwhelms the risk vs reward aspect of the combat.


It also makes the game a bit too easy- it means every fatal frame is fully charged pretty much, so ghosts go down without much hassle. I much prefer the charge system used in all the other games. That said, I'm still not a fan of the whole fully charged shot = shutter chance thing they've had going since FF4, makes it too easy to play safe with ghosts and can make the game boring. I've seen way too many LP'ers in FF4 and DCB get a pretty underwhelming combat experience because they just slowly chip down ghosts at a range with fully charged shots so nothing interesting really happens.

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#3 OFFLINE   FiliusMartis


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 01:51 PM

I agree with a lot of what Yashuu said. Part of the challenge of combat in this game is holding the ghost in the viewfinder while he or she is moving around while also avoiding any other ghosts that you might not be able to see with the camera up. Fatal frames kind of make the charge irrelevant, so if you get good at those, it hardly matters, but if distance is the only factor, it matters even less. Ideally, I'd like to see a combination of the two systems. Perhaps it would charge a little faster when the ghost is closer, reward the player for taking that risk by hastening the boost to their shot.

#4 OFFLINE   deer


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Posted 07 June 2014 - 06:52 PM

Isn't Kei's camera also proximity based? I don't even know how his camera works.



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 06:56 PM

Nah, Kei's is charge-based as well, but it only has two charge points, so you can never build up very powerful shots.

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 10:45 PM

I understand that they wanted you to have to get closer to the ghosts in the second game, so as to up the fear.. but it didn't really work that well. The charging system really works out much better mechanically in my opinion. Now the newer style in the 5th game....



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