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[AnimalLover47999]

Something I've never gotten is why wasn't Ryozo afflicted by the Rope Curse when everyone else Kirie killed was?  You can tell it was Kirie who killed him because it was her malice ghost hands that pulled him through the Demon Mouth but also I think I remember the Spirit List saying she is the one who killed him.  So why did she kill him in one quick go instead of marking him with the severing rope curse like she did to everyone else?

[Yashuu]

Is it necessarily contact with Kirie that initiates the Rope Curse? I think just seeing her potter about the mansion is enough, despite how it happens to Miku- I don't remember anyone else writing about having physical contact with Kirie before actually dying to her, just sort of seeing her in the mansion.

 

Miku's just special because she's the protagonist :3

[Cursed Lemon]

It's somewhat inconceivable that Ryozo could spend so much time in the mansion and not come into some kind of contact with Kirie before she killed him flat out. I think the bigger question is why Ryozo stuck around like a stubborn mule when his wife hung herself and four children, including his daughter, went missing. 

 

It's possible that Ryozo simply had zero paranormal sensory abilities. 

[FiliusMartis]

I was always under the impression that Ryozo sort of let Kirie out. His family mostly had issues with Long Arms and such. Yes, little Kirie was running about, but I don't remember anything about the rope curse affecting them. I could be remembering wrong, but my understanding was the part of Kirie touched by the malice was sealed up behind the doors in the demon mouth, and Ryozo opening them let her free.

[AnimalLover47999]

Yes but when he opened the Demon Mouth door she grabbed him and pulled him into the Demon Mouth where he died.  However she didn't curse him with the ropes to die a slow and painful death instead she just flat out killed him in one go.  He's the only person that she did that to and I'm wondering why.

[FiliusMartis]

An initial outpouring of pent up rage upon being released, I should think. I mean, arguably, if Miku fails any of the nightly chases and Kirie actually catches her, she would die instantly too. So there are two differences with Ryozo. First of all, he let her out after she had presumably just been pressed up against that door waiting for such a long time. Second, he ran into her directly. Most of the others had the entire mansion to try to outmaneuver and outrun her.

[Cursed Lemon]

That's an interesting thought, actually, but remember the Demon Mouth was locked when Miku got to it.

[AnimalLover47999]

But Miku gets caught in the first two chase sequences which is how she got the rope curse in the first place.  Kirie keeps on catching her thus adding a new rope mark to her body (first one both wrists, second one both legs).

[FiliusMartis]

Yes, but that's because the timeline is repeating itself, but the ghosts exist somewhat outside the timeline. For instance, as you play through the game, you start with the novelist group in night one and then move to Blinded on night two. You are moving back through time, essentially, and yet Kirie is a presence from the very start. Once she was released, she was free to move around, regardless of what "timeline" setting the manor was in. The fact that this timeline thing is going on is actually critical to the storyline, as it explains why Miku and Mafuyu never directly interact and just see glimpses of each other. It's like how many keys do you get and later find the door held shut or the puzzle inoperable because time has shifted? That doesn't mean the key is no longer in your pocket. Ryozo let Kirie out, and even if the manor shifts to lock the door again as it moves through time, she is still out.

 

And yes, I forgot that you automatically fail the first chase sequences no matter what, but the point I was making stands that Kirie didn't lose the ability to instantly kill. A curse is something that festers and develops. What happened to Ryozo was an initial outpouring of frustrated rage. You could also think of it as how Kirie acts during the final battle with Miku. When time is of the essence, she will forgo the curse in order to quickly kill. Ryozo was figuring things out, he was getting close, and then he walked into her arms. This wasn't her slowly stalking and playing with him; it was an entirely different situation.

[Cursed Lemon]

Couldn't Kirie have left through the Moon Well shrine if she wanted?